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		<title>Comment on Eating Your Enemy&#8217;s Heart&#8230; by Albert Klamt</title>
		<link>http://integratedsociopsychology.net/blog/?p=1375#comment-2113</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert Klamt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 06:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith, thanks for the hint to Durkheim. The international community seems to be paralyzed and the same time unconsciously fascinated. 

Why?

They have no understanding about the vertical complexity within themselves. Thriller authors and crime writers could guide them there. And, hell, I love the British contributions in this genre especially.

I want to share in this context something from Eric G. Wilson. A writer whom I much appreciate for his investigations into the dark arts of melancholy:

http://users.wfu.edu/wilsoneg/

http://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Loves-Good-Train-Wreck/dp/0374150338

Thats exatly why we need integrated SocioPsychology. 

The approach of Clare Graves needs many pathways for the 21ct century. Human Emergence is no lillywhite Kumbaya My Lord approach.

Thanks again,

Albert Klamt, Berlin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, thanks for the hint to Durkheim. The international community seems to be paralyzed and the same time unconsciously fascinated. </p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>They have no understanding about the vertical complexity within themselves. Thriller authors and crime writers could guide them there. And, hell, I love the British contributions in this genre especially.</p>
<p>I want to share in this context something from Eric G. Wilson. A writer whom I much appreciate for his investigations into the dark arts of melancholy:</p>
<p><a href="http://users.wfu.edu/wilsoneg/" rel="nofollow">http://users.wfu.edu/wilsoneg/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Loves-Good-Train-Wreck/dp/0374150338" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Loves-Good-Train-Wreck/dp/0374150338</a></p>
<p>Thats exatly why we need integrated SocioPsychology. </p>
<p>The approach of Clare Graves needs many pathways for the 21ct century. Human Emergence is no lillywhite Kumbaya My Lord approach.</p>
<p>Thanks again,</p>
<p>Albert Klamt, Berlin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eating Your Enemy&#8217;s Heart&#8230; by Keith E Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith E Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 05:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting comment about crime being &quot;an essential element of civilisation&quot;, Albert. That&#039;s very much the view Durkheim held - see: http://www.integratedsociopsychology.net/crime_deviance-difference.html. 

The third of Durkheim&#039;s reasons for having this view is that there is often a drawing together of a community in shared revulsion and outrage at a particularly horrific crime. This strengthens social cohesion - the sense of belonging to a community.

In so much revulsion at Abu Sakkar&#039;s crime right around the world, briefly, there is indeed a sense of there being an &#039;international community&#039;. Most people seem to be revolted - even if it&#039;s a fascinated revulsion. Unfortunately the revulsion in the West only seems to undermine any argument to do something about Syria beyond cat calling the Russians and the Iranians.

Keith]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comment about crime being &#8220;an essential element of civilisation&#8221;, Albert. That&#8217;s very much the view Durkheim held &#8211; see: <a href="http://www.integratedsociopsychology.net/crime_deviance-difference.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.integratedsociopsychology.net/crime_deviance-difference.html</a>. </p>
<p>The third of Durkheim&#8217;s reasons for having this view is that there is often a drawing together of a community in shared revulsion and outrage at a particularly horrific crime. This strengthens social cohesion &#8211; the sense of belonging to a community.</p>
<p>In so much revulsion at Abu Sakkar&#8217;s crime right around the world, briefly, there is indeed a sense of there being an &#8216;international community&#8217;. Most people seem to be revolted &#8211; even if it&#8217;s a fascinated revulsion. Unfortunately the revulsion in the West only seems to undermine any argument to do something about Syria beyond cat calling the Russians and the Iranians.</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eating Your Enemy&#8217;s Heart&#8230; by Albert Klamt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Klamt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 10:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith, than you very much for this disturbing case study. Your contributions have these visceral , concrete and even shocking qualties I appreciate so much. Sensitive souls may be offended. thats why I did not link it at Facebook up to now.

There is even a crime section on your site , and indeed, crime is such an essential  element of civilization. As not only British writer Colin Wilson confirms in his books. ( Like Wilsons work as much as Colonel Gadddafi, yet we know how much challenging and tough distinctions are needed.)

There are these worlds of archaic basic instincts. Of primal impulses and the &quot;darl energy&quot; of relational instincts. (Romero/Albareda)They cannot be reduced to some transitional manifestations of development. In all facettes they are part of any complex emergence in human cultures. Some longitudinal cross studies are a &quot;MUST&quot; for me for next decades.

Best,

Albert]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, than you very much for this disturbing case study. Your contributions have these visceral , concrete and even shocking qualties I appreciate so much. Sensitive souls may be offended. thats why I did not link it at Facebook up to now.</p>
<p>There is even a crime section on your site , and indeed, crime is such an essential  element of civilization. As not only British writer Colin Wilson confirms in his books. ( Like Wilsons work as much as Colonel Gadddafi, yet we know how much challenging and tough distinctions are needed.)</p>
<p>There are these worlds of archaic basic instincts. Of primal impulses and the &#8220;darl energy&#8221; of relational instincts. (Romero/Albareda)They cannot be reduced to some transitional manifestations of development. In all facettes they are part of any complex emergence in human cultures. Some longitudinal cross studies are a &#8220;MUST&#8221; for me for next decades.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Albert</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eating Your Enemy&#8217;s Heart&#8230; by Tom Christensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 20:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Syria is in the Gamma Trap, a situation where tension can be resolved only by violent separation of segments of the Syrian Nation, or violent domination of them.  Could there be a non-violent resolution?  Likely there is a possibility, but given the drift to date, a violence based reorganization of the country is most likely.  If that is so, it will be the biggest and baddest that win.  What is being gained by whom, in delaying this ultimate conflagration?  Either USA or Russia could imbalance the situation quickly.  And they are not doing so.  Why are they sitting by mostly just making noises?  and not making their proxies the biggest and baddest?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syria is in the Gamma Trap, a situation where tension can be resolved only by violent separation of segments of the Syrian Nation, or violent domination of them.  Could there be a non-violent resolution?  Likely there is a possibility, but given the drift to date, a violence based reorganization of the country is most likely.  If that is so, it will be the biggest and baddest that win.  What is being gained by whom, in delaying this ultimate conflagration?  Either USA or Russia could imbalance the situation quickly.  And they are not doing so.  Why are they sitting by mostly just making noises?  and not making their proxies the biggest and baddest?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Margaret Thatcher: Saviour or Devil? by Anna Plowdoski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Plowdoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 06:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Keith
 
Thanks for this article.  My perspective on Thatcher has changed over the years.  I really enjoyed it and found it thought-provoking (although I&#039;d have a liked at least a passing nod to the fact that many of the economic changes to old industries that Thatcher implemented were determined by global factors).
 
It might also have been interesting to consider how her response / leadership during the Falklands War was reassuring to those who felt their &quot;British&quot; identity of being part of a global power challenged in the modern world.  What would a Spiral Wizard do then?
 
All very interesting stuff!
 
Best regards, and many thanks for all your posts - always interesting and usefully thought-provoking...
 
Anna]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Keith</p>
<p>Thanks for this article.  My perspective on Thatcher has changed over the years.  I really enjoyed it and found it thought-provoking (although I&#8217;d have a liked at least a passing nod to the fact that many of the economic changes to old industries that Thatcher implemented were determined by global factors).</p>
<p>It might also have been interesting to consider how her response / leadership during the Falklands War was reassuring to those who felt their &#8220;British&#8221; identity of being part of a global power challenged in the modern world.  What would a Spiral Wizard do then?</p>
<p>All very interesting stuff!</p>
<p>Best regards, and many thanks for all your posts &#8211; always interesting and usefully thought-provoking&#8230;</p>
<p>Anna</p>
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		<title>Comment on Margaret Thatcher: Saviour or Devil? by Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis.  I&#039;ll add the unintended consequences of runaway Orange - bubbles, which must burst!  The &quot;seduced&quot; are now joining the repressed in droves as unsustainable practices come crashing down around us.
We could chart the Regan legacy in the US in exactly the same process.  We can&#039;t blame the conservatives here.  Clinton was seduced also into dropping the last regulatory barriers and refusing to allow States with more observant regulators to curb the derivatives mess.  
The work of Ariely and Schulz reminds us that while Red is driven by ACE, Orange and Green are driven by more subtle irrationalities, particularly the Orange one that we can outrun the consequences of our own mistakes or the Green idea that big brother government can fix it all in spite of a century of evidence to the contrary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis.  I&#8217;ll add the unintended consequences of runaway Orange &#8211; bubbles, which must burst!  The &#8220;seduced&#8221; are now joining the repressed in droves as unsustainable practices come crashing down around us.<br />
We could chart the Regan legacy in the US in exactly the same process.  We can&#8217;t blame the conservatives here.  Clinton was seduced also into dropping the last regulatory barriers and refusing to allow States with more observant regulators to curb the derivatives mess.<br />
The work of Ariely and Schulz reminds us that while Red is driven by ACE, Orange and Green are driven by more subtle irrationalities, particularly the Orange one that we can outrun the consequences of our own mistakes or the Green idea that big brother government can fix it all in spite of a century of evidence to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Margaret Thatcher: Saviour or Devil? by Dr Don Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Don Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent and balanced perspective, Keith.I do rmember how &#039;Maggie closed the coal mines in Hemsworth&quot; with all the bitterness. I am very interested in how a Spiral Wizard would  done things if one could shift from ideology into functionalism. In this country how an Obama leadership could have done much more than simply attack the traditional, by sitting down and drinking so tea with several of the parties. It is critical to bring s much of the spiral with us as possible. We must learn how to do that..We are about to return to South Africa with a Back to the Future: South African re-events itself for the 21st Century. . .and beyond. Will be working with Stellenbosch University and others.  Will keep you in the loop.

Don]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent and balanced perspective, Keith.I do rmember how &#8216;Maggie closed the coal mines in Hemsworth&#8221; with all the bitterness. I am very interested in how a Spiral Wizard would  done things if one could shift from ideology into functionalism. In this country how an Obama leadership could have done much more than simply attack the traditional, by sitting down and drinking so tea with several of the parties. It is critical to bring s much of the spiral with us as possible. We must learn how to do that..We are about to return to South Africa with a Back to the Future: South African re-events itself for the 21st Century. . .and beyond. Will be working with Stellenbosch University and others.  Will keep you in the loop.</p>
<p>Don</p>
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		<title>Comment on Topless FEMEN: who&#8217;s exploiting who? by Keith E Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith E Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Josie

I’d like to think I have some understanding of Feminism – though I doubt most men could understand it from the perspective of a woman because our biology usually reduces our ability to feel the same way about many of those issues which drive Feminism.

In the case in question, as I point out, Evolutionary Psychologists argue that men are programmed to look at ‘tits ‘n’ ass’ as an indicator of a woman’s fertility. A BEIGE level survival-of -the-species/survival of-the-fittest adaptive response.

Of course, human beings can function at much higher and more complex levels of consciousness – and often do. But the pull of the lower levels will frequently drag us down – and most people, most of the time, tend to be centred in the lower levels. It’s no accident that Abraham Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs version of the levels  - see: http://www.integratedsociopsychology.net/hierearchy_of_needs.html - portrays the structure as a pyramid with more energy and more people working at the lower levels and less energy and fewer people at the higher levels.

Feminists, usually centred in GREEN, often find basic ‘tits ‘n’ ass’ scenarios vulgar and distasteful, stripping women of their humanity and treating them as ‘meat’ – especially when used to generate profit (ORANGE-driven). Men, when thinking in the higher levels, also often find such displays gratuitous and offensive. It’s just different ways of thinking in different times/contexts.

The meme is that men exploit women’s sexuality in everything from chocolate advertisements to pornography. But FEMEN activists like Galina Sozanskaya recognise this evolutionary-based drive in men and believe they are exploiting it to get their message across in a way they wouldn’t be able to otherwise.

It becomes a bit chicken-and-egg. Hence the second part of the title: ‘who’s exploiting who?’

My point is that the RED-ORANGE ‘machine’ is capable of reducing FEMEN’s tactics to novelty value – in which case, will FEMEN resort to ever more-extreme tactics to get the message heard?

Keith]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Josie</p>
<p>I’d like to think I have some understanding of Feminism – though I doubt most men could understand it from the perspective of a woman because our biology usually reduces our ability to feel the same way about many of those issues which drive Feminism.</p>
<p>In the case in question, as I point out, Evolutionary Psychologists argue that men are programmed to look at ‘tits ‘n’ ass’ as an indicator of a woman’s fertility. A BEIGE level survival-of -the-species/survival of-the-fittest adaptive response.</p>
<p>Of course, human beings can function at much higher and more complex levels of consciousness – and often do. But the pull of the lower levels will frequently drag us down – and most people, most of the time, tend to be centred in the lower levels. It’s no accident that Abraham Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs version of the levels  &#8211; see: <a href="http://www.integratedsociopsychology.net/hierearchy_of_needs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.integratedsociopsychology.net/hierearchy_of_needs.html</a> &#8211; portrays the structure as a pyramid with more energy and more people working at the lower levels and less energy and fewer people at the higher levels.</p>
<p>Feminists, usually centred in GREEN, often find basic ‘tits ‘n’ ass’ scenarios vulgar and distasteful, stripping women of their humanity and treating them as ‘meat’ – especially when used to generate profit (ORANGE-driven). Men, when thinking in the higher levels, also often find such displays gratuitous and offensive. It’s just different ways of thinking in different times/contexts.</p>
<p>The meme is that men exploit women’s sexuality in everything from chocolate advertisements to pornography. But FEMEN activists like Galina Sozanskaya recognise this evolutionary-based drive in men and believe they are exploiting it to get their message across in a way they wouldn’t be able to otherwise.</p>
<p>It becomes a bit chicken-and-egg. Hence the second part of the title: ‘who’s exploiting who?’</p>
<p>My point is that the RED-ORANGE ‘machine’ is capable of reducing FEMEN’s tactics to novelty value – in which case, will FEMEN resort to ever more-extreme tactics to get the message heard?</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>Comment on Topless FEMEN: who&#8217;s exploiting who? by Josie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I do not agree in the slightest with Femen’s tactics, your chauvinist rhetoric about your continued enjoyment of the “periodic displays of bare boobs” is a disgrace.  As someone who claims to be a sociopsychological theorist and who holds a qualification in SOCIALpsychology, you should know a little about feminism and the struggles women face. 
 
Such ugly comments are exactly why these radical reactions begin.

You have been happy to rip in to Femen’s ideals but you have done nothing to further the cause of equality and in fact, you have just made any chauvinist readers you have feel validated.
It’s an abuse of your privilege and field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do not agree in the slightest with Femen’s tactics, your chauvinist rhetoric about your continued enjoyment of the “periodic displays of bare boobs” is a disgrace.  As someone who claims to be a sociopsychological theorist and who holds a qualification in SOCIALpsychology, you should know a little about feminism and the struggles women face. </p>
<p>Such ugly comments are exactly why these radical reactions begin.</p>
<p>You have been happy to rip in to Femen’s ideals but you have done nothing to further the cause of equality and in fact, you have just made any chauvinist readers you have feel validated.<br />
It’s an abuse of your privilege and field.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Family Systems and Crime &amp; Deviance by baidu censor</title>
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		<dc:creator>baidu censor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Other countries censor content and not just rogue regimes such as the Iranian mullocracy. Poor people!  http://www.baidu.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other countries censor content and not just rogue regimes such as the Iranian mullocracy. Poor people!  <a href="http://www.baidu.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.baidu.com</a></p>
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